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		<title>By: Sonia Jaspal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Jaspal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the compliment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the compliment</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Qamar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 06:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[excellent work sonia....100% agreed with your views]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent work sonia&#8230;.100% agreed with your views</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Jaspal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Jaspal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that is an excellent comment. Thanks for taking the time out to write it. I completely agree with you.

SOnia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that is an excellent comment. Thanks for taking the time out to write it. I completely agree with you.</p>
<p>SOnia</p>
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		<title>By: N.Chakrappani</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Sonia,

The questions you have raised were doing the rounds for a very long time. The auditors are to give an opinion on the state of affairs of a company - the Balance Sheet as well as the results of operations - Profit and Loss. They give their opinion as to the &quot;True and Fair view&quot; of he state of affairs at a specified date and the profit or loss for a particular period, made by the company. Earlier, the auditors were to report as &quot;True and Correct view&quot; instead of &quot;True and Fair view&quot;. Several cases went to the courts for the determination of the diligence of the auditors. One such case was the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company’s Case. As a result of which, the Companies Act of England was amended in 1948 to require the auditor to state inter alia whether the statements of account are true and fair. The implications of the substitution of “true and fair” need to be understood. There has been a shift of emphasis from arithmetical accuracy to the question of reliability to the financial statements. A statement may be reliable even though there are some errors or even frauds, provided they are not so big as to vitiate the picture. The word “correct” was somewhat misplaced as the accounting largely consists of estimates. So it all depends on the terms of appointment of the auditors and objectives of the function of auditing - the primary objective being the auditor&#039;s duty to report to the owners whether the balance sheet gives a true and fair view of the Company’s state of affairs and the profit and loss account gives a correct figure of profit of loss for the financial year; and the secondary objective or the incidental objective, incidental to the satisfaction of the main objective, being detection and prevention of frauds and detection and prevention of errors. 

The duties of the Statutory Auditors have all been well defined in the corporate legislation governing the audit of corporates. With the developments that are taking place in the commercial and technological worlds, the perpetration of frauds also has taken up the new dimensions in right earnest. So, we could find occurrences of such frauds even with the tight regulations that govern the running of corporates and so are the SOX and other requirements. 

The objectives of Internal Audit are quite different from those of the Statutory Auditors. In the present conditions, the emphasis is more on the risk evaluation and governance aspects of a company. The combined ‘Governance, Risk and Compliance’ exercise takes a very effective initiative for the prevention of any unexpected situation in the working of a company. These aspects are all pervasive and the management must ensure that all these aspects are the responsibility of everyone in the company. The Internal Auditors ensure that these norms are effectively followed. Besides, the traditional ‘Internal Control’ aspect would ensure that the occurrence of fraud is prevented or detected early.

The final reminder for the common man is that there has to be matching developments in control regime in line with the technological innovations since the fraudsters are much faster in adapting the &#039;technology&#039; for their purposes. There is an old movie song in one of the southern states of India that sings, if the culprits do not correct themselves, it is not possible to eradicate theft and fraud!

Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Sonia,</p>
<p>The questions you have raised were doing the rounds for a very long time. The auditors are to give an opinion on the state of affairs of a company &#8211; the Balance Sheet as well as the results of operations &#8211; Profit and Loss. They give their opinion as to the &#8220;True and Fair view&#8221; of he state of affairs at a specified date and the profit or loss for a particular period, made by the company. Earlier, the auditors were to report as &#8220;True and Correct view&#8221; instead of &#8220;True and Fair view&#8221;. Several cases went to the courts for the determination of the diligence of the auditors. One such case was the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company’s Case. As a result of which, the Companies Act of England was amended in 1948 to require the auditor to state inter alia whether the statements of account are true and fair. The implications of the substitution of “true and fair” need to be understood. There has been a shift of emphasis from arithmetical accuracy to the question of reliability to the financial statements. A statement may be reliable even though there are some errors or even frauds, provided they are not so big as to vitiate the picture. The word “correct” was somewhat misplaced as the accounting largely consists of estimates. So it all depends on the terms of appointment of the auditors and objectives of the function of auditing &#8211; the primary objective being the auditor&#8217;s duty to report to the owners whether the balance sheet gives a true and fair view of the Company’s state of affairs and the profit and loss account gives a correct figure of profit of loss for the financial year; and the secondary objective or the incidental objective, incidental to the satisfaction of the main objective, being detection and prevention of frauds and detection and prevention of errors. </p>
<p>The duties of the Statutory Auditors have all been well defined in the corporate legislation governing the audit of corporates. With the developments that are taking place in the commercial and technological worlds, the perpetration of frauds also has taken up the new dimensions in right earnest. So, we could find occurrences of such frauds even with the tight regulations that govern the running of corporates and so are the SOX and other requirements. </p>
<p>The objectives of Internal Audit are quite different from those of the Statutory Auditors. In the present conditions, the emphasis is more on the risk evaluation and governance aspects of a company. The combined ‘Governance, Risk and Compliance’ exercise takes a very effective initiative for the prevention of any unexpected situation in the working of a company. These aspects are all pervasive and the management must ensure that all these aspects are the responsibility of everyone in the company. The Internal Auditors ensure that these norms are effectively followed. Besides, the traditional ‘Internal Control’ aspect would ensure that the occurrence of fraud is prevented or detected early.</p>
<p>The final reminder for the common man is that there has to be matching developments in control regime in line with the technological innovations since the fraudsters are much faster in adapting the &#8216;technology&#8217; for their purposes. There is an old movie song in one of the southern states of India that sings, if the culprits do not correct themselves, it is not possible to eradicate theft and fraud!</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Jaspal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Jaspal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murthy,

Thanks for the compliment and you have given an excellent analogy. Agree with you completely.

Sonia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murthy,</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment and you have given an excellent analogy. Agree with you completely.</p>
<p>Sonia</p>
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		<title>By: B MURTHY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B MURTHY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good thought provoking article.

If a premeditated murder takes place, one cannot blame police why he failed to prevent murder. all he can do only to find out who did the murder and how?. However if the same police is assigned to a person to protect and he fails to protect, then he can be blamed.  Similarly my view is that fraud is committed by persons who goes all out not to make it visible. Only the Fraud examiner can find out who did it and how and then to introduce control to prevent it.  At the time of giving assignment, nobody says that Auditor is responsible if fraud is not traced.  He is given an assignment only to give opinion that the accounts present true and fair view.  Please note it is only an auditor&#039;s opinon and not an authentic declaration. only if at the time of assigning the job it is demanded that the auditor is responsible if fraud is not deducted and he agrees to take up with this clause he can be blamed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good thought provoking article.</p>
<p>If a premeditated murder takes place, one cannot blame police why he failed to prevent murder. all he can do only to find out who did the murder and how?. However if the same police is assigned to a person to protect and he fails to protect, then he can be blamed.  Similarly my view is that fraud is committed by persons who goes all out not to make it visible. Only the Fraud examiner can find out who did it and how and then to introduce control to prevent it.  At the time of giving assignment, nobody says that Auditor is responsible if fraud is not traced.  He is given an assignment only to give opinion that the accounts present true and fair view.  Please note it is only an auditor&#8217;s opinon and not an authentic declaration. only if at the time of assigning the job it is demanded that the auditor is responsible if fraud is not deducted and he agrees to take up with this clause he can be blamed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Jaspal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Jaspal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asif,

Absolutely right. The term - reasonable assurance will have to be redefined if auditors have the responsibility to detect frauds. 

Sonia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asif,</p>
<p>Absolutely right. The term &#8211; reasonable assurance will have to be redefined if auditors have the responsibility to detect frauds. </p>
<p>Sonia</p>
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		<title>By: Asif Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asif Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great . I am agreed with you sonia to hold some responsibilty to detect frauds. But with little variation  i would add that if you hold some responsibilty on auditors to detect frauds, you have to re-define &#039;reasonable assurance&#039; defination. Why everyone put blame on auditor when fraud occurs. Auditor has already given his/her reasonable assurance about realiabilty of the statements or operation. That means auditors is giving assurance with the probabilty of fraud that can occur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great . I am agreed with you sonia to hold some responsibilty to detect frauds. But with little variation  i would add that if you hold some responsibilty on auditors to detect frauds, you have to re-define &#8216;reasonable assurance&#8217; defination. Why everyone put blame on auditor when fraud occurs. Auditor has already given his/her reasonable assurance about realiabilty of the statements or operation. That means auditors is giving assurance with the probabilty of fraud that can occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Jaspal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Jaspal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing your views and you are spot on.

Sonia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your views and you are spot on.</p>
<p>Sonia</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent thoughts Sonia!
I would add as well that auditors (external as well as internal) do not have the knowledge and experience to be spot on with fraud detection, they are not trained to detect fraud instantly. They will learn, hopefully, on the job and by experience and if they are willing will invest time to learn more about the subject.
To my view it would already help if the auditor will put him/herself in the shoes of the thief to try to figure out what he/she could do wrong, these can be eye-openers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts Sonia!<br />
I would add as well that auditors (external as well as internal) do not have the knowledge and experience to be spot on with fraud detection, they are not trained to detect fraud instantly. They will learn, hopefully, on the job and by experience and if they are willing will invest time to learn more about the subject.<br />
To my view it would already help if the auditor will put him/herself in the shoes of the thief to try to figure out what he/she could do wrong, these can be eye-openers!</p>
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